Florida Firearms Owners! SB 1242 & HB 739 would extend your rights dramatically!

With the recent stopping of several pro-firearms rights Bills in the Florida legislature, Sen. Steube filed a bill today (12/12/17), SB 1242, which is identical to Rep. Fant’s HB 739 which was filed back on 11/117/2017. The Senate website describes SB 1242 as “Carrying of Weapons and Firearms: Providing that specified provisions relating to the carrying of weapons and firearms do not apply to persons engaged in, traveling to, or returning from certain outdoor activities or traveling to or returning from certain motor vehicles, residences, shelters, and other places, etc.”.

These matching Bills attempt to list quite a few new activities that would allow a person to either open carry or concealed carry while participating in, or going to or from these activities. These would create a new set of activities where a person could lawfully possess a firearm without having to have a concealed weapons permit. The list is mostly outdoor activities that a vast majority of Floridians do now, only this would allow you to lawfully possess and carry a firearm for self-defense while participating in any of the listed activities.

Here are the activities that are listed in the Bill:

(i) A person engaged in, traveling to, or returning from a lawful outdoor expedition or activity, including, but not limited to:

  1. Crabbing, gigging, cast netting, lobstering, or any other fishing activity;
  2. Hiking, trekking, backpacking, cross-country running, geocaching, or any other orienteering activity;
  3. Trapping, falconry, or any other hunting activity;
  4. Bicycling, mountain biking, trail riding, or any other cycling activity;
  5. All-terrain vehicle, dirt bike, four-wheeler, or any other off-road vehicle riding activity;
  6. Boating, canoeing, kayaking, rafting, or any other maritime activity;
  7. Dog walking, animal training, mushing, or any other outdoor animal exercising activity;
  8. Speleology, spelunking, or any other caving activity;
  9. Horseback riding or any other equestrian activity;
  10. Rock climbing, rappelling, or any other mountaineering activity;
  11. Nature photography, bird watching, astronomy, or any other outdoor viewing activity; and
  12. Picnicking, mushroom hunting, berry picking, metal detecting, fossil hunting, or any other outdoor recreational, training, scientific, or athletic activity;

(j) A person traveling to or returning from a motor vehicle; a residence, dwelling, apartment, condominium, townhouse, lodge, cabin, motor home, mobile home, recreational vehicle, hotel, motel, or any other place of residence or shelter; or any other place at which a firearm or weapon may be lawfully possessed;

Now as you can see that is quite a list. Notice the very carefully worded “but not limited to;” in the first sentence. Thereby laying the groundwork for what could be interpreted as say that any outdoor activity would be permissible under this Bill if it became law.

And under (j) these Bills try to eliminate the omission in current law that technically makes it illegal to take your firearm from your lawfully carried location in your car to your apartment (residence). Currently, you may possess a firearm in your home any way you wish, and you may have a firearm in your vehicle lawfully also without a permit, but to get it to your vehicle and from your vehicle if the vehicle is on a common property area has been looked at being illegal by some. This subsection addition would prevent that from being a problem any longer.

Yes if you read the Bills and look at the activities and see the common terms “or any other ….  Activity” whether it be fishing, hunting, orienteering, hunting, cycling, off-roading, maritime, animal exercising, caving, equestrian, mountaineering, outdoor viewing, and last but not least – outdoor recreational, training, scientific, or athletic activity, you could legally possess and carry a firearm without a license while going to, taking part in, and going home from any of those, the last one being quite a catch all of the activities.

If you think this is a long list, you would be right. If you think this list should not be needed, you are right, we should be allowed regardless of this list (but currently are not), if you think this list basically makes it OK to carry doing basically any outdoor activity, you would be right. So what is wrong with this Bill? NOTHING! It is an attempt to show the Florida Legislators just how silly restricting the lawful carry of firearms is to a “list” of “allowed” activities. And if passed would be a HUGE step in the right direction. Remember a little at a time is better than nothing at all.

I personally wholeheartedly support this Bill, and it’s not so subtle message and intentions. Floridians should not be restricted as to what action they should have to be doing to be able to protect themselves and their families. But if they are going to make us follow a list, let’s make it a good list! Like this one!

So please when the Bills are assigned to committees for hearings, take the time to send emails, write letters and call your Senators and eventually your Representatives and tell them you support this Bill and what it stands for! I will post more on this as things develop.

You can read the Bills at:

HB 739 – http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=61039&

SB 1242 – http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=62020&

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Moms Demand Action Members Appear at Florida House Committee Hearing “So we can be on TV.”

This just keeps getting stranger and stranger. You have to love some of these and some of the Moms Demand Action answers.

This is an Article from the NRA-ILA:

DATE: December 8, 2017
TO: USF & NRA Member and Friends
FROM: Marion P. Hammer
USF Executive Director
NRA Past President

This is the 3rd of a 3-Part Report of the Senate Judiciary Hearing 12/5/2017

PART # 3 – Trying to get on TV

Groups of ladies representing Bloomberg’s Mom Demand Action keep showing up in committee hearings when gun bills are going to be heard. Sometimes 20-30 show up. They wear red t-shirts with “Moms Demand Action” on them and always try to sit in a group behind the speaker’s podium where they can be captured on TV.

I wanted to know exactly why they came or thought they came! (I do not have permission to reveal my source)
1. Why are you ladies here? “So we can be on TV.”
2. Why don’t you ever get up to testify? “We’re not supposed to talk we’re just here for TV.” 
3. Why do you want to be on TV? “Because we’re against guns.”
4. Why are you against guns? “Oh, I’m not against guns, I just came for my friend.”

You have to love it! 🙂

Those Who Submitted Appearance Cards Against Gun Owner Rights

There’s an old saying about judging people by the company they keep. This should raise some eyebrows. We are reporting this because you may also be a member of one or more of these organizations and you may not know that they are lobbying against Second Amendment rights.

For example: We know that lots of gun owners have children and are members of PTA – but you may not know that a person representing Florida PTA was in the committee hearing on 12/5/17 and turned 3 Appearance Cards to lobby against the pro-gun legislation.

AGAINST: Open Carry Protection – SB-148
Florida Carry, Inc. – Scott Whigham (not registered to lobby)
Florida Carry, Inc. – Eric Friday
Bloomberg’s Moms Demand Action – Jamie Ito (not registered to lobby)
League of Women Voters – Patricia Brigham (not registered to lobby)
Florida NOW – Barbara DeVane

AGAINST: Courthouse Carry – SB-134
Equality Florida (LGBT rights) – Hanna Willard
Florida Carry, Inc. – Eric Friday
Bloomberg’s Moms Demand Action – Jamie Ito (not registered to lobby)
League of Women Voters – Patricia Brigham (not registered to lobby)
Florida NOW – Barbara DeVane
Florida PTA – Angie Gallo (not registered to lobby)

AGAINST: Church Private Property Rights – SB-274
Florida PTA (not registered to lobby for PTA)
League of Women Voters – Patricia Brigham (not registered to lobby)
Bloomberg’s Moms Demand Action – Kate Kile (not registered to lobby)
Florida NOW – Barbara Devane
Florida Pediatric Society – Doug Bell

The 2018 Florida Legislative Session begins January 9, 2018, and runs for 60 consecutive days. ANYTHING can happen until the gavel drops to end that session.

Stay tuned for more.
END STATEMENT FROM NRA-ILA

MY COMMENT. First, the statements from Moms Demand Action do not surprise me. Did we expect them to be knowledgeable about why they were sitting in Tallahassee in a room about firearms rights and Bills? Of course not.

And as if Florida Carry did not have enough problems –
And to add to the confusion, Executive Director of Florida Carry Sean Caranna said this prior to the hearings in a Facebook comment asking for Florida Carry’s stance on the Bills. –
Sean Caranna – “Florida Carry Opposes SB148, as drafted, because it uses vague language and creates a lifetime series of fines and criminal acts, rather than treating them as minor infractions. Open Carry should be legal. We support SB134 but oppose all of the filed the amendments.”

So if Florida Carry supports 134, why did Florida Carry’s Legal Advisor state they were against it? Or get up and testify as to what they did and did not support? And did Florida Carry support or not support SB 274, being able to carry a firearm on Church property if there is a private school on the property during the week. Very confusing.

NRA-ILA Blast Florida Carry Inc. Gun Rights Group for Not Supporting Gun Rights Bills.

DATE: December 7, 2017
TO: USF & NRA Member and Friends
FROM: Marion P. Hammer
USF Executive Director
NRA Past President
This is the 2nd of a 3-Part Report of the Senate Judiciary Hearing 12/5/2017

Florida Action Report: Florida Carry cuts off its nose to spite its face – AGAIN by Marion Hammer, NRA-ILA

Once again Florida Carry, Inc. has demonstrated a lack of concern for Concealed Weapons and Firearms License holders. License holders continue to be abused by law enforcement, prosecutors and the courts. When firearms, that are being lawfully carried concealed, accidentally become exposed to the sight of another person, license holders are being arrested for violating the open carry ban.

In Florida, there are 1.8 million law-abiding license holders. Every time they leave their homes, carrying a firearm, they run the risk of that firearm becoming exposed to the sight of another person and then being thrown face down on the street, arrested at gun point and treated like a criminal – because the wind blew open a jacket or they reached for something on a top shelf or a shirt got snagged and uncovered their firearm.

SB-148 would have helped stop some of the abuse but Florida Carry, Inc. opposed it.

You would think, particularly in view of Florida Carry’s recent loss in the Norman case before the Florida Supreme Court, that Florida Carry would be eager to pass legislation to protect license holders. Their lawyer defended a license holder, Mr. Dale Norman. Mr. Norman didn’t do anything wrong but because his firearm was accidentally exposed to the sight of another person, he was put face down on the ground, arrested at gun point, hauled off in a police car and prosecuted for violating the open carry law. The case went all the way to the Florida Supreme Court where they ruled against Mr. Norman.

But in Committee on Tuesday, 12/5/17, Florida Carry’s pursuit of perfection, became the enemy of the good. They testified in opposition to Sen. Steube’s SB-148 – Protection from Open Carry Abuse.

Was the bill perfect? No, it wasn’t. Was it better than existing law? Yes, it absolutely was better. Could it have been made better in other committees before final passage? Of, course. That’s the process. And this was only the first committee of three before it could go to the floor in the Senate.

But Florida Carry OPPOSED that bill.

Fortunately, the Second Amendment supporters on the committee didn’t pay any attention to Florida Carry (they still voted for improvement) and the antigun Democrats were happy because they can use Florida Carry for cover.

But here’s what Florida Carry DIDN’T DO: They didn’t try to fix any of the bills or amendments to make them better. They didn’t do anything but show up in committee and testify against the bills.

They’re fond of talking about what happened in 1987 like they were there and but they weren’t.

NRA passed right to carry in 1987 and it wasn’t perfect but it was better that nothing and it was a start. Year after year we have worked to improve it and make it better. Today, 1.8 million gun owners have licenses to carry concealed because we know the value of working one step at a time and making things better while pursuing perfection.

That worked well for concealed carry license holders until 2011. That’s when Florida Carry arrived on the legislative scene and effectively killed open carry for CW License holders.

Florida Carry’s folks, using Florida Carry’s name, made a barrage of threatening and bullying phone calls to Senators. They screamed profanities and threats at Senators demanding full open carry for everyone, not concealed carry license holders.

A bill that we could have passed in 2011 to allow CW License holders carry openly or concealed and prevent abuse of license holders, died because of Florida Carry. If it had passed then, we might well have full open carry today but we’ll never know.

So here we are today, still fighting to do something to stop the abuse of license holders. We’re no better off than we were in 2011 and Florida Carry is still working to kill bills that aren’t perfect. Eating an elephant one bite at a time means nothing to them. If they can’t swallow the whole elephant in one bite they’d rather starve – actually they’d rather make YOU starve. They’d rather have nothing upon which to improve. They want it all — right now — or nothing.

However, Florida Carry didn’t kill those bills in committee on 12/5/17 but they made it easier for the antigun Republicans to kill them. Florida Carry’s open opposition to the bill made it easier for them to justify knifing gun owners in the back.

THAT’S NOT ALL Florida Carry did in this committee hearing… but it’s just more of the same foot stomping for perfection at the expense of the good on Sen. Steube’s SB-134 Courthouse Carry. Their explanations of why they did what they did are pure pap. The only thing their self-righteous behavior does in the legislative arena is benefit the antigun organizations. Legislators will remember that – we will remember that.

Moms Demand Action should put Florida Carry’s representatives in red t-shirts and give them an award, because in the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on 12/5/2017 Florida Carry sided with Bloomberg’s Moms Demand Action – NOT Florida gun owners.

**MY NOTE – If this does not tell you about Florida Carry Inc. Not sure what will.

AMERICANS! CALL YOUR U.S. REPRESENATIVES! HR 38 MUST PASS!

AMERICANS CALL YOUR U.S. CONGRESS MEMBERS! NOW IS THE TIME!

The U.S. House Judiciary Committee has passed H.R. 38, the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017, and it is now headed to the U.S. House floor for a vote. Please contact your U.S. Representative and ask him/her to vote for H.R. 38!
Your fundamental right to keep and bear arms should not end at the state line. This bill would ensure that law-abiding citizens do not lose the ability to protect themselves when they travel from state to state. And it would ensure that anti-gun jurisdictions do not harass travelers for exercising their constitutional rights.

Contrary to what Everytown (@everytown), Bloomberg, and other anti-rights group followers (#gunviolence, #gunsense, #STOPCCR) want you to think H.R. 38 DOES NOT:

– Allow prohibited persons to carry firearms;
– Create a federal licensing or registration system;
– Establish national standards for concealed carry; or
– Override state laws governing the time, place and manner of carrying concealed.

Do not let your rights be held hostage. The Democrats are trying to attach things to this Bill to make it not pass, DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN!

Tell you’re US Representatives that you want HR 38 to pass AS IT IS WRITTEN WITHOUT AMENDMENTS!

Go to https://www.congress.gov/ and find your Representatives and urge them, if they believe in the right to self-defense, and that it does not stop at state lines, tell them you, the people they work for, want them to vote YES on HR 38 without any changes.

You can read the Bill here, it is very short and easy to understand. Once you do read it, you will see through all the lies being told about it. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38

@Gunsense Says Ask Your Host if they Have Guns in the House!

I have to say when I read the tweet the first time it did not really register just how funny it really was. Then when I sat and thought about it for a second, it really began to sink in. Even though they later deleted the Tweet, Moms Demand Action (@momsdemand) thought it a good Thanksgiving Day tip to tell people to ask the host of anyplace they are going if there were guns in the home, alluding to the fact it was for the safety of the children.

What happened was fast and furious. As can sometimes happen to short-sighted tweets of silliness, the twitter world jumped all over them, pointing out that if you’re going to ask about guns, you should also ask about more dangerous things to children. And then one commenter hit the home run:

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As his tweets showed, the original poster seemed to forget that guns are not the most dangerous things for our kids, and what else could he say. I thought that he did such a great job of pointing out the obvious, it was worth repeating here.

So to all of the @gunsense and @momsdemand folks, you may want to think a bit before you make foolish statements that people obviously see through as cheap attempts to swipe at the Constitutional Right to own and possess firearms, especially in the home.

And if I invited you to my home and you asked me if I had guns in the house, I would answer “Of Course! Don’t you?”. And if you said no, then I think you would not be invited back for Christmas dinner.

What Happens When Good Intentions go Wrong? When Fighting for Rights Become Second to Power and Money?

What happens when good intentions go wrong? What happens when people get used to being in power and controlling everything? What happens when they feel the money flow is threatened? What happens when the rules/laws are not followed by the very people that wrote them? What happens when people feel that their “good thing” may be found out? Their way is the only way!

Does that make you think of the state or federal government? Federal Senators or State Legislators?

Well, it sounds like it. But what if I told you that is a “grassroots” pro-firearms rights group? What if you found out that the group you thought stood for all the right things, actually wasn’t as stand up as you thought? What if you were a part of the leadership of that group and when you questioned where the money went, and why things were being done the way they were, you got labeled as a troublemaker and were no longer welcomed by the leadership. Even to the point of not wanting you to talk at all to the rest of the members. What if when you ask for something as simple as transparency, you get all kinds of anger and heat? What if this leadership told you that being a part of the leadership was a good thing, as you got to go to a meeting every year at the expense of the members? Sounds good right? Nothing wrong with that by itself right? But add that to the other things and you start to think.  

You would think that a rights group that ask its members for money would be more than happy to tell those members where that money goes. Like the NRA posting its yearly financial report. Nothing to hide, right? You would think that a group that professes to be for rights would honor the rights of all, including its own members to ask questions and to question what and why things are done. 

If you were paying to be a member of a group, and that group failed to follow its own rules it had written for itself, what would you do? Speak up? Be silent and become part of the silent majority? Or just ignore it all?

A group that supposedly stands up for people that fails to follow its own rules and bylaws, fails to have membership meetings as it requires, failed for years to post where the money goes, only to do so when it is forced to, fails to keep its members informed of just what it is doing and what it needs them to do, is not much of a “grassroots” stand up group if you ask me. But then, they would not want you asking me. If you did I would say it’s time for a deep look inside, time for a look at who and how things are done and why, as it is written in the bylaws itself. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, even when it starts out as good intentions.

Is it wrong to question things? Is it wrong to point out that they (the leadership) need to do a better job of being transparent with financials and what they are doing to help people get their gun rights back. Is it wrong to be the voice of the members that have no idea what the rules are. How can people question what they do not know is wrong or going on? Where is the openness and honesty? 

Honesty you say? Did you know how many members are in these groups? I was told they do not want those numbers made public. Really? Why? Yet we can testify to numbers before legislators, but when asked by a board member, it’s secret? Think ethics, honesty, integrity, and transparency and ask yourself, does my group stand for these things and follow them? 

They could be such a driving force for good and the firearms rights of all the people they profess to represent, but fail to see what has happened. And we sure don’t want the members and public to know about it, that could cause “change”, and we all know that is a bad thing. They even have a Board of Directors, selected by the two executive members. But they don’t vote on much, as the two executive directors have final say so on everything regardless of the other Directors. Heck, the other “Directors” can’t even call anything up for a vote, the Executive Directors have to do that. The Directors are there just to settle disagreements between the two Execs. They said so themselves, and yes I have that in writing. Some of the leadership is afraid to speak out because they know how they will get treated, so they remain silent, yet thank people who speak up, and yes that is in writing also. When leadership is afraid to speak up to other leaders, what does that tell you?

And no I am not talking about the NRA, they do all those things the right way. This group questions our government about things all the time, yet we are not allowed to question our own “support” group about itself. Before you send money to ANY group professing to be fighting for your rights,  find out how the money is used, how you can become a part of it and do things to support your rights, how often do they send out information on issues and things of interest, do they assist you in learning about the issues and current Bills being submitted in the Capital (State and Federal). Ask questions, if they don’t like questions, then that should be a red flag.

Fighting for your rights is as simple as signing up for notices from your state and federal representatives and senators and writing them and letting them know how you feel. Writing opinion pieces based on facts and real-world issues and sending them to your local news media outlets. Post rebuttals to opposing pieces, be heard. Don’t settle for “we are working on it, but can’t talk about it right now”. Those opposing your rights talk about it all the time, you should be also! Write your representatives and tell them what you expect of them, they are hired by you, to represent you, and they can be fired (voted out) just as easy. You only have this last election cycle to look at to see that. Educate people on the real facts surrounding firearms and self-defense, most people who oppose your rights are woefully uneducated about the topics you care about and know, so educate them. What is your group dong to educate the public at large? If you do those things you will be doing more than some groups and most people. Become part of the solution, not part of the problem.

 

You Cannot Legislate Evil Away…

With the recent murder of 27 innocent people in Texas, the typical cry for more gun laws has started.

It doesn’t seem to matter that the psychopath broke multiple laws to get his firearm, and the government made errors in following its own laws and policies. But the cry for just one more law is still being raised.

What about the real cause of this and other mass murders, the lack of morals and values based on good verse evil. As a man of faith, I believe in the good in men. I believe each person has a possible bright future, they only need find it. I also believe that evil walks among us and that is why the good and righteous must be prepared to defend themselves or those unable to defend themselves from that evil.

Laws cannot legislate evil away. Evil will always find a way as long as man is around. But what can we do to lessen the impact of evil when it shows itself? We can be prepared to take action. When a murderer uses a car, or a bomb, our a knife to kill, there is no cry for more laws to control those things. Why not? Why only when a gun is used? I think it’s because a gun is a form of self-reliance, self-preservation, and the ability to fight back. And I truly think there are those that don’t want you to be able to do those things. Because if you can protect yourself, and defend yourself, you don’t really need those that want you defenseless.

Our country has slowly devolved into gratuitous violence, normalizing death and violence. The graphic nature of much of our entertainment lends to desensitize people to real suffering and pain. Most people have watched movie or tv killings so much when the real thing happens it has little impact. Our kids get higher scores for headshots and killing innocents in games. Is it any wonder that they have no problem murdering innocents in a church?

Now I don’t mean all are affected, but the susceptible ones, those that are a little easier to sway, fall for the evil that bombards us daily.

So to all you getting calling for more gun laws maybe you really need to look at fatherless families, violence in our entertainment, economic growth and development, mental health treatment, and following the laws we currently have.

Oh, and I am sure that the fact the murderer was shot by a citizen with a gun makes the argument for fewer guns a little more difficult. Had he been unable to have that rifle, the murders could have been much worse.

So let’s start a real discussion to lessen the carnage and suffering, let’s talk about what is acceptable to our society, let’s talk about self-responsibility, let’s talk about enforcing the laws we currently have better.

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